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extension may hold in gaza after all. >> and it is starting allegedly right this minute. we're learning hamas has just agreed to a 24 hour cease-fire, a humanitarian pause as they call it. that is to start precisely at this hour, 7:00, 2:00 p.m. their time. it would be mediated by the united nations. >> this after an extension by israel collapsed overnight and shelling resumed. we're covering these fast moving developments from both sides of the israel/gaza border. start with wolf blitzer who joins us from jerusalem. wolf, just a few hours ago this was a no go for hamas, and now there's this about face. any indication why? >> reporter: i have no indication why but it is a major about face. hamas originally said they weren't going to go along with the israeli proposed 24 hour extension, humanitarian cease-fire because israel demanded part of that cease-fire
be allowed to destroy those tunnels from gaza that go into israel during that 24-hour period. hamas issued a statement saying they weren't going to go along with that and they -- they basically were firing rockets and missiles into israel throughout that period. israel said it would extend that cease-fire for 24 hours, when hamas didn't stop firing rockets into some of the southern towns, in israel, israel announced the cease-fire was over and they resumed poundingarious hamas targets. now we heard a little while, carl will have more on this victor, all of a sudden hamas announces that they will now go forward with a 24-hour cease-fire. and let me bring karl into this. karl, help us better appreciate, is hamas attaching the earlier condition that israel has to withdraw its troops, stop blog up those tunnels, is that part of the hamas proposal now for 24-hour cease-fire?
>> bring up to date on that even while you were talking there another huge explosion here in the background. our control room there picked that up on the microphones as well. we did -- we have been hearing a lot of artillery fire as well. it is not clear whether now israel will go along with this hamas agreement to go along with the 24-hour cease-fire. it has been, as you suggest, it seems that the sticking point for hamas at least on the first offer of israeli 24-hour extension was the fact that israel retain the right to try and go after militant tunnels and rocket launchers. hamas said that they wouldn't go along with that, they wanted israeli boots off their territory for any cease-fire or humanitarian pause to hold. now in the statement they put out by a text message a short while ago, they wanted this humanitarian pause to be overseen by the united nations
and it would be run from this hour following 24-hour period. it does seem, though, that really the nitty-gritty of this is what is the condition, what can either side do during that cease-fire period? as i say, right now there is still artillery fire going on. some of it pretty loud, some pretty close. in fact, i can tell you from where we are in our office the first time in 21-day confrontation, the artillery shelling has been so heaven they morning that we are now getting the smell of high explosives res do drifting in on the air. >> reporter: i suspect, we haven't gotten official reaction. i suspect if the rockets stop coming from gaza the israelis will accept that 24-hour cease-fire, humanitarian extension, they were willing yesterday. hamas continued firing rockets and missiles, the israeli condition, though, i assume will continue to be they are not
pulling troops out of gaza, they are going to continue trying to dismantle those tunnels, rocket launchers during that 24-hour period. so victor and christi, you can see it's a bit murky right now. israel pounding away as we speak. you saw in karl's live shot there. let's see what the reaction is from the israeli security cabinet. they are meeting in emergency session we're told once again and later this morning we'll hear directly from the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu who is going to be a guest of candy crowley's on "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern. >> wolf, you mentioned those tunnels. and earlier this morning lieutenant colonel lerner told cnn they believe they targeted or taken care of at least destroying half of the tunnels. if they get to a certain percentage of those tunnels that they can destroy or all of them, at that point is there any indication that they may pull back on this assault?
>> reporter: i think the israeli military objective is pretty clear, they want to destroy those tunnels, these go from gaza into israel. the israelis fear that hamas militants will go through those, go into israel, kill israelis or capture, kidnap some, take them back to gaza. they say they are not going to live with that situation so they are going after those tunnels. they want to see the missiles and the rockets stop. they originally thought hamas had about 10,000. they think that hamas has either used or been destroyed maybe 6,000 or so of those rockets and missiles but there are about 4,000 they say that are left. they would like to see all of those destroyed. i don't know if those objectives, the tunnels and the missiles and rockets are going to be achieved in the course of the coming days, but the immediate need is to see what the israeli response is to this offer from hamas for a 24-hour cease-fire that begins this hour so. far the israelis are still pounding away. let's see what they decide to
do. they will make a decision, my sense is based on what i heard from israeli officials going into this, if they can continue going after those tunnels during the 24-hour period they will stop the other major shelling, the major targeting that they have been doing and see what happens after that. but we should get reaction from the israeli government soon enough. one israeli spokesman just told us that so far no comment from israel. >> we'll stand by for that. wolf blitzer in jerusalem. karl penhaul in gaza. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will be here on cnn discussing the latest efforts toward extended cease-fire. we'll see if this will hold for 24 hours. he will be candy crowley's guest. >> witnesses say there was, quote, a lot of movement with fighter jets and helicopters as u.s. embassy staff left tripoli in libya. >> i want to show you some of the pictures from the defense department that show u.s. marines aiding the departure of
embassy workers yesterday. about 150 personnel including 80 marines were driven to neighboring tunisia as militia fighting intensified. >> what is the u.s. government saying about embassy operations there now? >> reporter: victor and christi, both the state department and the white house are stressing that this evacuation is only temporary. they are also pointing out the white house was involved in the decision. i received a statement from a senior administration official just yesterday saying that the president approved the state department's recommendation to evacuate the empassy as they wanted and both of these messages seemed to suggest that the administration has learned the lessons from that deadly attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi two years ago. so this time, the lesson was that the president was made aware and he made the call, so they could avoid another tragedy like benghazi. and also there's this emphasis that it's temporary, to reassure
that they are in control of the situation even as these other crises in other parts of the world. likely these messages are trying to avoid criticism but we already have seen republicans blaming the obama administration for negligence as far as libya is concerned. house intelligence committee chairman ed royce, a republican, said that evacuating the embassy was the right call but he also said in a statement that this move was predictable essentially give at any lack of direction and leadership from the administration, since ousting moammar gadhafi. he says the united states diplomatic absence makes the hard task of political stability in libya harder. adding to some of the skepticism how temporary this evacuation is, the white house and the state department haven't said anything about what they can do to help now that they will
return to their work when this violence subsides. >> erin, thank you. >> and joining us now is cnn counter terrorism analyst phillip mudd. we spoke yesterday with republican congressman ed royce, chairman of the house foreign relations committee. here's what he had to say about the situation in libya. >> i do think they should be much more engaged on the ground with the factions in libya. i tried to encourage some of this with the administration, and i think they are on the right track but late into the game in terms of trying to bring factions together and use u.s. leverage in order to try to work this out. >> phil, when he says they he is speaking about the obama administration. good morning to you first. my question to you, do you think the u.s. should be more engaged on the ground in libya? >> i think the problem is broader than libya. what you're looking at, all of the post-revolutionary country,
iraq, syria, egypt, libya, when you transition from revolution to democracy in societies that aren't used to democracy you get factions who start to say whether they are former military factions, islamist factions, who start to say if we don't win elections we don't have a stake in the government therefore we're going to fight. i don't think it's as easy as going in to support a faction because in these states you are going to see wars potentially for years among factions who want to come out on top. >> the u.s. has suspended operations in recent years at embassies in cairo, in yemen, damascus, of course there was the attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi. is the obama administration, in your opinion, is it losing its handle on violence in the region? >> i don't think you can look at the obama administration, western europe, the united states, i don't think you can look at the west as responsible for what's happening in the middle east. in these revolutions what you're seeing is a fundamental sort of
divide in the state. in the state of egypt, in the state of libya, the divide is between those who once had power and who want to retain power, you've seen the military re-emerge in egypt. one of the major factions in egypt is the former military. on the other side you have in both egypt and libya islamists who want to gain power. i don't think it's the responsibility of the west to say who is going to come out on top when you have societies that say revolution means that we lose power, that is the military loses power, and we want to regain power now. >> let's switch to the situation there in ukraine. there is a conversation reporting in the new york times this weekend among pentagon leaders, intelligence officials here in the u.s., about how the u.s. should help ukraine in the response here to russia. if they should simply support and shore up the ukrainian government, or if they should offer intelligence to help the ukrainian military go after
those missile systems to give them an idea of where they are and effectively give them the information to go after russia on their side of that border. what do you think would be the best move for the u.s.? >> i think simple decision here is we've got incursions into a democratic state that is ukra e ukraine, we have an interest in seeing that the ukrainian government has information about what's happening within its borders. if i were in the chair in the white house situation room i would say look, ukrainian government has legitimacy, and i don't see anything wrong with giving intelligence on saying this is where the russians are bringing military systems into your country. i'd give them the intelligence. >> we've got disturbing news that the team monitoring the site where malaysian flight 17 crashed is telling cnn the security situation is such that it cannot access the site today. in other words, it's too dangerous for them to get there. at some point is it -- we know we've got the dutch, we've got australia teams ready to go in. at this point what do you do?
are we looking at a fire fight at some point down the line to get to it? >> boy, i think we've got a couple of options. one is as you suggest, if you want to secure this site it's going to take some sort of military force because ukrainian opposition has been pretty consistent, i think, in their refusal to provide access to the site. i think the critical point in this case is we've got a m fundamental question. what happened. what does the intelligence say and the debris field say. regardless whether we regain access to the site the answer is pretty clear. ukrainian opposition with support from russians downed an airliner. regardless what we do in that field, i know it's tragic, i know the families want better answers but the answer is pretty clear. we know what it is now regardless of whether we gain access. we can provide military fire power, potentially lose people in a fire fight with ukrainians
but we know what the answer is. >> the difficulty is that there are still according to some of the monitors there, there are still human remains in that field and there is a sensitivity of starting a fire fight with the victims still in that area. phillip mudd, cnn's counter terror expert and analyst, thank you. >> thank you. >> they are the first family members to arrive at the crash scene, the only members we know of, parents who lost their daughter on malaysian flight 17. even seeing the rubble they still believe she is alive. >> 33 years ago today this little boy was murdered. and it changed his father's life and his mission. that was -- this is adam walsh, the son of john walsh. we'll talk with john in a moment. 's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text.
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to speak and what are the terms of this 24-hour cease-fire? >> well, i have as you know i have been calling on the parties to extend a cease-fire, let's call at humanitarian pause for 24 hours, unconditional humanitarian pause. israel agreed to a 24 hours pause as of yesterday night. despite initial disruption, rocket fire, i was informed that hamas and other factions are now ready to accept the pause for the period of 24 hours starting 2:00 p.m. local time. that is already -- it is already after that time and we are in a situation that i have passed on this request coming from hamas directly to my contacts in the israeli government. and i am now awaiting also from israel. however, i'm extremely concerned
after 2:00, both rocket fire and of course also israeli operations are continuing. and i appeal on both sides to now show utmost restraint for this humanitarian pause to become effective i hope as soon as possible. this will allow civilians to resume their daily lives, both in israel and in gaza, you know in gaza there are urgent work still to be done in terms of recovering bodies and wounded. we all know that very important religious muslim holiday is upcoming, so i really make an appeal to both side not to miss maybe this last opportunity for calm. let me say one other thing. this would be another calm, and i hope still it can be achieved. but there can be no substitute for actually also talks for a
more durable cease-fire that would also address some of the underlying issues of this conflict. we all know that the return to the previous is in fact no longer an option. but i really hope is that if we have another 24 hours, is that actually parties with the help of egypt and other parties including of course also secretary kerry, would also build on it and make progress toward a more durable cease-fire because we cannot go on like this. >> we know, bring in wolf blitzer there in jerusalem. woo saw in the statement from the hamas spokesperson they cited the beginning of this festival as part of their reason for accepting this 24-hour humanitarian pause as mr. serry calls it. are we hearing anything from the israelis? >> still no comment from the israelis. let me ask mr. serry, thanks
very much for all of the work you're trying to achieve right now. as far as the hamas position is concerned right now, assuming israelis accept the 24-hour pause as you -- humanitarian pause as you call it, has hamas committed itself to stop sending rockets and missiles into israel during those 24 hours? >> if you allow me, to the people in gaza please don't go back on the streets or to your houses now until there is an effective cease-fire. and announcement to that effect is made. it is still very dangerous for people in gaza. i'm still working around the clock and i hope that this opportunity will not be missed. >> i know you're working very hard. but the understanding you have, if israel agrees to this pause for 24 hours, there won't be more rockets and missiles from hamas coming into israel, willis real during this 24-hour period assuming it stops its airstrikes, will they still be allowed to go after, try to
destroy the tunnels that go from gaza into israel during the next 24 hours? >> well, wolf, i have been asking for an unconditional humanitarian cease-fire, i prefer to call it a pause. it's it new real cease-fire. of course, israeli army is deeply embedded into gaza. that's also why i said earlier that parties will have to address also the underlying causes and have to try and get as soon as possible to a more durable cease-fire which will also imply the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. but this is an unconditional pause i asked for. i of course hope that both sides will use utmost restraint and not take actions that will lead inside this pause, to resume fighting. >> so basically what i understand you're saying mr. surry is hamas agreed to this unconditional cease-fire, but you're still weight for official
response from the israeli government. is that right? >> that is right. i also tell hamas that i'm perturbed that there are still rockets coming out, and that of course immediately stop now. >> you say rockets coming from gaza into israel, is that what you mean? >> yes. after 2:00. that is what i'm worried about and i'm also worried about any continued of course israeli operations in particular if they would affect civilians. i hope that both sides now can show some wisdom and reason and then we will be able actually to have a pause during an upcoming important religious period. as i said before, we need also a pause actually make, create momentum in political talks to get out of this, wolf. >> with the end of ramadan this would be an appropriate moment
to start a 24-hour cease-fire, i know u.s. officials have told me mr. serry they hope there would be a cease-fire but then that could be expanded to another 24 hours, then could be expanded to a week, and during this process international diplomats including the united states and egypt and everybody else could get involved to deal with some of the longer term issues. i assume, mr. serry that is your objective as well. >> yes. absolutely. absolutely. absolutely. >> and is there a timeline when you -- when the israelis told you they will give you a response whether they are accepting this 24-hour initiative? >> no. in this business time lines which are usually not kept. but i hope that of course the israeli government will very soon take a position on this. and at the same time i hope that both sides will show already utmost restraint on the ground and will stop fighting.
>> you are very experienced at dealing with this crisis, mr. serry. israelis sometimes suggest and i'm anxious to get your thought, there may be one position that the political wing of hamas comes forward to, but then the military wing doesn't necessarily accept that. is hamas speaking to you with one voice or do you sense there is a debate going on within the military and the political wing of hamas? >> well, you know, being involved in these delicate talks i rather prefer not to comment too much on this question of you. but let me say one thing. we have seen before that if there is a position taken to actually stop fire that they are capable of doing so. that position has been taken. that's the opportunity. and i hope it will not be missed. >> i hope you're right. and one final question. assuming hamas accepts it, will
hamas make sure that islamist jihad in gaza, some of the other factions they will be on board as well? >> yes. yes. this is by the way, a statement made on behalf of all of the palestinian factions, not hamas only. >> that's encouraging to hear. >> their readiness to start a humanitarian pause. >> we're going to find out what the israeli position s. you probably bill get a phone call earlier than we will. if you get an official reaction from israel and hamas we'll put you back on the air and you'll tell our viewers what's going on, clearly mr. serry there is a delicate moment and we appreciate all of the good work you are trying to achieve. we'll stai stay in close touch. thank you very much. >> let's hope we get there. >> all right. let's hope that something positive can emerge out of this horrible situation. you got the breaking news right there. it's up to israel to decide whether they are going to accept this initiative from the united
nations from robert serry, the special middle east envoy for the u.n. let's see if israel responds positively to this initiative, 24-hour humanitarian pause or cease-fire, truce, whatever you want to call it. actually goes into effect, was supposed to go into effect a few moments ago but as we speak has not gone in effect. rockets still coming in. israel pounding away. let's see what happens in the next minutes, maybe the next hour. >> i know no official response but unofficially, the top of the hour, our cal penhaul continues to hear the shelling. wolf blitzer, thank you and to u.n. envoy robert serry. we'll be right back. hello! i'm a kid. and us kids have an important message for our grown ups. three grams daily of beta-glucan... a soluable fiber from whole grain oat foods like cheerios can help lower cholesterol.
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32 minutes past the hour. international monitors say the situation at the crash site of flight 17 is too dangerous. we learn a contingent of dutch police arrived in donesque to help with the investigation. the dutch team does plan -- the plans i guess -- they plan to put in donetsk. i guess they are going to put up shop until they know they have a green light. >> cbs news says it learned from
one of the black boxes which indicates the plane was indeed shot down by a missile. cnn has not been able to independently confirm that. >> one family, though, searching for answers about their daughter did make that dangerous journey to the crash site in war torn ukraine. >> this family was able to make it in just before it appears that the security situation is just too dangerous there. the reports are that some distance away from the site the fighting is going on and getting to the crash stooit is not feasible. >> reporter: it's not feasible. you can imagine the frustration for the many, many other families around the world especially in europe and malaysia watching this, that this site still all these days after the plane crash happened, the dutch police and the australian police are still unable to get there to secure the site. so driven by frustration,
determination, we followed one set of parents as they made their way in on their own. >> nothing could keep these parents from flight 17's wreckage, not a bloody conflict, not a breakaway republic filled with armed rebels. >> of course i cry. of course. we thought how we survive this. we couldn't believe it. >> even being this close they still don't want to believe that their only child fatima is gone. the 25-year-old aims to be an astronaut one day and hopes space exploration could bring peace on earth. >> she would challenge me if i would give up. she has a training in not giving up. >> neither will her parents. the australians flew to ukraine armed only with shock, grief and hope to find their daughter alive. >> we go. go. go. >> we met them on the ukrainian side of the conflict as they fought to get to the rebel-held
territory. local ukrainian government officials urged them not to go, warning them the fighting was getting worse, and embassy workers on the phone begged them to stay. >> you have not started this out. please do not protect me any more. no worry. >> refusing to listen they left in a private car. the u.s. says the rebels shot down. they are the first of the families to come here. seeing is not believing. >> i really want no condolences. i say this, no condolences. >> denial is powerful. a parent's grief unyielding. >> so even seeing it for yourself does not always help. it is dangerous international
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miller for the woodrow international center. good to have you with us. you listened to the interview with robert serry, the u.n. envoy who brokered this deal. what's your take on what you heard? >> you know, there is an enormous amount of uncertainty. the relationship between the military wing of hamas and the political wing is very unclear. and the idea that somehow you could string together a series of 24-hour cease-fires is a way to get out of this probably is a real stretch. i mean t the reality is if you look at step back for a minute, i understand these cease-fires are extremely important. 24 hours of quiet means nobody is dying. that's obviously one of the key objectives with respect to de-escalating. but the basic reality i think is more painful, that is, there is simply an insufficient urgency on the part of both parties to de-escalate. the israelis do not believe that they have delivered either to
hamas's high trajectory weapons stockpile or the tunnels, the kind of stunning defeat that they would like to inflict. and hamas on the other hand, has so much invested in terms of the death and destruction that has been visited on gaza, that they really do need a big win out of this. and right now i suspect hamas feels it's winning, it survived, it's diminished abbas' influence and importance. and it's elevated itself. really, quite stunning fashion, as a kind of co-equal party to a negotiation with israel which in many respects is new. so, getting out of this means two things. it means basically both parties have to realize that there's too much pain involved and they have to stand down, and at the same time they have to be shown that there is a way to achieve gain.
without enough pain and gain the sad tragic brutal reality is this could go on for quite a while longer. >> another reality that you have written about, what you call reality, is that israel and hamas actually need each other. what do you mean by that? >> well, i think it's -- in an odd way, the fact that they can't destroy one another means they have to seek maximum advantage out of one another. after all, hamas feeds on the reality, it wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be resilient as an organization of rye sis tense and confrontation if there were no israel. israel makes hamas possible. it gives its legitimacy, it gives it its driving force, and it gives it a way through confrontation to separate itself from mahmoud abbas who clearly is not a man of violence that would like a negotiated solution. the israelis on the other hand face a difficult reality, if
they want a cease-fire where do they go? they don't go to mahmoud abbas, they go to hamas f. they want their prisoners back, where do they go? they don't go to abbas, they go to hamas and frankly, i suspect that many israelis understand the reality, that hamas's presence in gaza over time is probably a more practical reality for them than a lawless gaza out of control in which any number of jihadi groups operate out of the influence of any party. so in a way, i'm not suggesting that if each had one wish they wouldn't completely wish the other away but they can't do that. and as a consequence, they interact with an another in a way that drives them, frankly, to find a more practical way to reduce conflict and to kk date themselves, it doesn't mean that israel is prepared to accept
hamas as a partner in negotiation, it doesn't mean that hamas is ready to recognize israel, abandon violence and accept all previous agreements, which were the u.s., the u.n., eu, and russia's requirements for hamas's participation in the political process. it doesn't mean any of that. but what it means if you can't destroy the other guy, the reality is you have to find some way to accommodate, and as a consequence of this i suspect we're going to get out of this through some sort of practical accommodation where both israel and hamas give up some things, and get some things. that is not the preferred ending to this story because it sets up a year, two years from now, the prospects of another bitter and dangerous confrontation. >> the breaking news quickly is that hamas want this is 24-hour cease-fire scheduled to start,
they asked rather, not scheduled, that it begin at 2:00 local. no response from israel though the shelling has continued according to our reporters there. a last question to you. what is in it for israel to grant this cease-fire or agree to it? we've seen and heard that israel doesn't really care about the world's concern about war crimes as we heard from this u.n. official. they believe that this is their right and they have to protect itself as a state as many people do. why would they agree to this? >> look. first of all the israelis are in fact sensitive. they have to be, to international pressure. they have their security needs and requirements which drive israeli policy, no question about that. remember something. in these asymmetrical wars there is a military clock, there is a political clock and there is a public relations clock. the reality is hamas and israel
are fighting another war. not with weapons, not with high trajectory rockets or airstrikes but public diplomacy and the creation of the image. and the reality is israelis have to be sensitive to the cruel and bitter truth that when you operate in densely populated areas you are going to end up killing a lot of innocent people. that has happened. well in excess of 1,000 palestinians have been killed, thousands more wounded, and tens of thousands displaced. israelis cannot ignore that reality. so in effect. there is a kind of back and forth here to see who can capture the hearts and minds of their own pu public's and the international community as well. so, this is another conflict within the military political conflict that's occurring on the ground. and i think both sides will
continue to want to present themselves, not only before their own audiences but before the international community in the best possible light and that has a lot to do with the timing and the need for these 24-hour humanitarian cease-fires. >> we'll eif we get a response from israel. a middle east analyst, thanks for helping us with this breaking news. >> pleasure. we're going to stay on that story. it is developing and we'll let you know. have you heard about this carjacking at gunpoint? that's violent enough. it gets worse. a family of four ended up in the driver's path. we'll tell you what happened. there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if frustration and paperwork decrease... the gap begins to close.
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reward for information leading to an arrest. >> the man carjacked a woman at gunpoint. they ended up losing control of the car, crashed into a mother and her three children selling fruit on a sidewalk. a 15-year-old girl, 10-year-old boy and 7-year-old boy were killed. that mom is still in critical condition. in chicago, a 3-year-old boy is the latest victim of violence on the southwest side. the toddler is in critical condition with bullet wounds to his hip and stomach. he's 3 years eeld. it happened saturday. a 12-year-old boy was killed in a spray of bullets outside a convenience store. he spent his adult life trying to catch cold-blooded criminals. john walsh was called to do this after tragedy struck his life. why today is really an emotional day for him.
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33 years ago today, a 6-year-old boy vanished from a department store in florida. his abduction and the discovery of his remains really shook the nation. >> adam walsh was abducted july 27, 1981. you know his father, john walsh from "the hunt" and "america's most wanted." >> i spoke with john earlier about adam's case on this somber anniversary. >> as you probably know, it took 27 years to solve adam's case.
we had to work very hard to get the case reopened and a wonderful chief, a younger chief in hollywood, florida, named chad wagner reopened the case and it was solved a month later. it's a tough day for us. several years ago, the sad memory of adam was somewhat relieved by the fact that president bush passed the adam walsh act and we signed it in the rose garden that day. it's a bittersweet day for us. it was a bad day, the day adam was kidnapped, but a day a powerful piece of legislation passed in his name. >> there's code adam, which has reunited children with their families in department stores and malls around the country. talk about that. >> several years ago a little girl was kidnapped out of a walmart in the midwest and the store manager was a woman and they caught the guy out in the
parking lot. store personnel held him. he had the 3-year-old girl in the front seat. he kidnapped her from the store, molested her. when it came to light, the fact was he was a convicted child molester on probation and parole waiting to go on trial. he ran. walmart started this program nationally and named it after adam, which i thought was wonderful. many, many big chain stores, walmart the first to do it. many government buildings practice code adam. if the child goes missing, the stores shut down, the employees look for the child and they go in the parking lots. it's saved some children's lives. to end the story, i did catch the guy that got away from the walmart parking lot. it's another testament to adam to make sure he didn't die in vain. walmart did a good job naming it
code adam. >> last week, anderson cooper in the coverage of mh17 and the families of the victims and discussing his brother's suicide, the word closure is a tv word. there's never closure. have you ever reach thad closure or do you agree, it's a tv word? >> no, i say to people all the time and i have met literally tens of thousands of victims in 33 years. there's no such thing as closure. we'll always be the parent of a murdered child. it's getting justice. it took us 27 years to get justice. that ended a terrible chapter in our live and we move on. i hope "the hunt" will do that tonight. the people left behind will say at least he's been caught and paid for. it's about justice and ending that chapter in your life and trying to move on. there's no such thing as closure. >> there's a question i have asked many times over the years of parents who have lost
children. i'll ask you, it's a little unorthodox. do you still talk to adam? >> absolutely, victor. i believe he is my angel and certainly, i don't think that my wife and i would have been able to go forward if we didn't love adam so much as most parents of children that are killed in some way love them. but, it's a motivation. i really believe and i talk to him. i talk to him when i'm tired or think it's too much or you can't go on or the cases are depressing. exactly what my wife said to me 33 years ago, let's never forget who the real victim is and adam is out there. >> he's accused of killing his entire family 40 years ago. almost 40 years ago. a brand-new episode of "the hunt" is on cnn at 9:00 p.m.
eastern. >> doing important work there. >> yeah. >> we want to thank you for starting your morning with us. we want to continue doing important work here. >> the next hour of your new day starts now. so glad to have you with us. we are in the 8:00 hour right now. just a few seconds from. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. this is new day sunday. >> the breaking news out of gaza. there have been explosions and heavy shelling there all morning long. >> there's a new offer on the table from hamas. they are agreeing to a 24-hour cease-fire or u.n. envoy calls it a humanitarian pause. how will israel respond? >> that's what we are waiting to hear. >> cnns wolf blitzer joins us and karl penhaul from the other side of the city. we are going to start with you, karl.
there were explosions at the top of the previous hour. what's it like now? >> reporter: yeah, those explosions carried on for about ten or 15 minutes into the hour. since then, things have got considerably calmer. i would say totally kauai oat except for a few incidents or sporadic shelling a distance away from where we are now. it is difficult to get a picture of what's going on. we haven't heard formal comment to my knowledge from the israeli government or israeli military that they are back on board now that hamas is back on board with a 24 hour cease-fire. it is also not clear from hamas what kind of conditions they have set in order for them to agree a new 24-hour cease-fire. previously one of the reasons it appeared they were using not to agree with israel's cease-fire is because they didn't agree to israeli soldiers